It is widely believed that the Norman invaders of Ireland are who is commonly referred to as the black Irish. Television host Dermot OLeary is one of the most famous bearers of the name. Others you may not be as familiar with outside of Ireland are Whelan ( Faolin in Gaelic) and OKeeffe ( Caoimh in Gaelic). But during the times of slavery in America the Irish people (in Ireland) were subjected to the penal laws, which I suspect were similar the the Jim Crow laws. Id gladly accept a Cajun than a damn IRISH redneck!!!!!!! [5] It is the masculine version of the name Ciara . If you look at census lists or the property lists of white planters, you will see that their human property were only given first names. Black Irish Elm, wych elm cultivar originally discovered in Ireland. Then after a time the law change and blacks were considered chattel so therefore were unable to buy their freedom. Not really, because its obvious, in which sickins me, I grew up born and raised in San Francisco CA. Chances are, you can find her drinking coffee in some hidden gem cafe in Dublin, planning her next big trip. Theres no question that the Irish werent treated very well. The byword African-American was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black leaders a Jesse Jackson. The English Welsh and Scottish peoples all suffered by the hands of the elitist British. get your facts right, [] Why blacks have Irish last names. But, the tone of the article seemed to suggest that Blacks should not feel like they have been singled out bullied because the Irish was also subjected to indentured servitude or slavery. Therefore, this preposterous on-going debate only goal is to keep the Blacks monopolizing the atrocious history of slavery. That meant they came here and worked their debt off and paid for their freedom. This is a human issue, not a race one. Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. Not Wikipedia, or self proclaimed historians with B.S. In fact, many of today's common Irish names have origins in Gaelic, Celtic, or Norse languages. 37% of African American men can also trace their paternal ancestors, their Y-DNA, to European men who impregnated an African American female, most probably in the context of slavery. The Scots-Irish are not Irish. But we still must take into consideration that the Irish were hated for being Catholics, and that this was the main reason behind making them into slaves. Reblogged this on Eccentric and Bent and commented: Endentured servitude is not some made up concept, as this article implies, it was a legal term with legal and Biblical limitations. Two of the most famous Gallaghers are brothers and bandmates of Oasis fame, Liam and Noel Gallagher. Clearly this makes it a Black vs White issue. Blacks are/were not the only slaves. .and the slaves owners trusted their long time slaves than the white indentured servants who could killed the plantation owner and pass for his newly arrived cousin . Where the Black Irish really came from and no, it wasnt the Spanish Armada, Mariah Careys Black Irish liquor cannot be sold in Ireland due to legal battle, International Irish Coffee Day: The history and recipe of Irish coffee. I can say MacIntyre, I dont know what a Mwanajna is, Ill call you Mo. Similar to many of the Americanized name changes coming through Ellis Island. Black Irish (album), 2017 music album by American singer-songwriter Shannon McNally. With this, Irish people and families began to associate with the collective surname of O'Dubhghaill. Stewart is a very popular Irish surname. For example, I am irish and my name in Irish is Aine Maire OFallanhaim, but it was Anglicized to Ann Marie Fallon by the British. Inquire at- It seems more likely that "Black Irish" is a descriptive term rather than an inherited characteristic that has been applied to various categories of Irish people over the centuries. go and read about cromwell in ireland. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. The argument is as follows: the Irish had an advantage because of their skin color. In this way of debate it subdivides the issue of slavery in degrees of worse and worse-er. Are the Australian Aborigines to be categorized in this same way although, willingly or unwillingly, they didnt participate in the same slave trade and share no (at least within the past several thousand years) common history with the African Blacks? Keir. and; The Irish in this group would be the ones who were protestant (sometimes referred to as Scot-Irish) and were pro-England. Exaggerated claims aside, Im not sure how unless you give that stuff more credibility than its worth. Great to hear the truth that MOST BRITISH dont want to hear COLM MAHER. There were Irish owners. Thats what the bulk of my Irish ancestors really were: Scottish, English, Cornish, etc. Ryan is a popular surname in County Tipperary. are streets are a lot safer for kids to grow up thats a fact gangs of kids running about with guns you wont get that hear unless its the paramilatarys, I agree with people that dont want to be called African american, who were never born in Africa, I refuse to be called black because my skin is brown, I believe the calling of our race black is to degrade us because there is belief that whomever picked the name of the brown indigenous people from Africa named the race black because it was the most negative color, many of the Irish expelled to the New World were Black Irish. smh. You are full of hate just as the Brits have planned, well done you have fallen for the divide and just by giving us the label of white you are empowering us. Then, for many of the worlds most powerful and influential nations of the time, this is where slavery was put to an end. 2. Johnson took him to court and the judge ruled that Anthony Johnson did not have to release this man. The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. Google how and why enslaving whites/Christians was outlawed in the U.S. Im not going to do the research for you. I am in no way minimizing the African slave part of history, it is through this history of the Irish to say we can relate and understand an awful part of human history. One issue was the Federal Government vs Individual States rights. English journalist, author, and broadcaster Caitlin Moran is one of the most famous people called Moran. Widespread and woven into many different cultures around the globe, Irish surnames are ever-present today. 3) their children and grandchildren were not automatically enslaved or indentured from birth and were free, 4) they were not forced to forget their history, culture religion during their agreement to be indentured. After the Armada of 1588, Spanish soldiers married Irish women and integrated into society. When such a small society is reduced in such a short time by nearly half (during the famine) theres a whole host of socio-phycological problems that ensue, one youll be familiar with we often make light of now a days when it comes to The Irish is: alcoholism, but also extreme poverty, broken families, etc, which Im sure you can relate with as a member of the African American community in the United States am I right? This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. Please do your own research to find out about white slavery in the Americas. America was named after another so-called white man by the name of Amerigo Vespuci. But still many commentators, and even thought our recent political history, make topics like these into racial issues. Also, what is the point if making a caste system of victims. Now is it Irish or Scottish. ODwyer is a popular Irish name in Australia with cricketer Edmund Thomas ODwyer and National Rugby League player Luke ODwyer both having the name. Not allowed to marry in Geirgia. So I picked up those big fat ugly crayons .. The Normans were invited into Ireland by Dermot McMurrough and were led by the famous Strongbow. I added the Facebook icon to my blog so you can share the link. Likewise, what makes all Blacks the same? It was the Jim Crow laws and the Redlining that did the most damage. @wolfsilveroak I suggest you re-read the book. they did mix thats why they have lighter skin its luck of the draw with genetics if your great great great grandmother was white your chid could be white. Famous OSullivans include actress Maureen OSullivan, actor Richard OSullivan, and singer Gilbert OSullivan. Paris Donnatella is an avid writer and traveller. Derogatory names for immigrant groups are legion and in the case of those who left Ireland include "Shanty Irish" and almost certainly "Black Irish." Whole towns disappeared into the MIddle East and North Africa as a result. A great book to read is:To Hell or Barbados. Only a few took on the last names of their former owners, some took names from the Bible. Bullshidt!!!! I have heard of some of the stories of the Irish slave trade; however, the black slaves in American took their last names from their masters; who usually had Scottish, Irish, or English last names. I have never heard of these Irish. From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. One of the most famous Duffys is rock musician Billy Duffy. I could be totally wrong on this but its what Ive read when I did my research. The term is commonly used to describe people of Irish origin who have dark features, black hair, a dark complexion and dark eyes. My grandparent on my mothers side has an Irish maiden name and said her mother married twice, both times to Murphies. All the while the ruling class was laughing at us all. Third, the names come from the Scots-Irish slaveholders. In 1839, Britain finally decided on its own to end its participation in Satans highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. Okay, good cuz I was like, huh? I think the more realistic story of how many Blacks got Irish last names is that there were rich Irish who owned slaves too. The mental gymnastics required to equate having Irish last names and black Americans with the Irish having been slaves right along side us is astounding. Rihanna was also bullied for her lighter skin. One of them reached his 7 year mark, and went to work on another mans farm. Please advise. From a young age, nomadic parents placed a strong emphasis on education in real experience and the outdoors - a trait which has carried through her life and into her career. Maybe this should spoken more of, because Im sure I didnt learn this in my student years. I always thought that the Jamaican dialect sounded like a version of an Irish dialect. Blacks where all over the world. Murphy is one of the most common Irish family names and examples of famous Murphys include actors Cillian Murphy, Eddie Murphy, and Brittany Murphy. Think about their rage The fighting irish especially 100 years ago you wouldnt have not one Irishman admitting they were ever slaves ( they would talk about it amongst themselves, but never with outsiders whom werent real irish. It was written in the year 916 A.D. that the lord of Aidhne, Tigherneach Ua Cleirigh, died in County Galway. Banishment did not solve the problem completely, so King James , the second gave his blessing and encouragement to the selling off of Irish men and women as slaves to the English planters who at this time were becoming entrenched and very rich. The only major distinction was that these slaves were not being exported outside of their continent likened unto cargo as they were in the African Slave trade. Quite interesting piece of history here I just had to share with all of you. Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. Although, I recognize that the facts of this article are in dispute, with regard to the treatment of the Irish by the British Empire, knowing what I do about history, it is not entirely unlikely that much of this is true. Sullivan is the 92nd most popular surname in the United States and the third most common surname in Ireland . Read up on the potato famine. It's quite popular in Scotland. Black Name Meaning English and Scottish: chiefly from Middle English blak (e) 'black' (Old English blc blaca) a nickname given from the earliest times to a swarthy or dark-haired man. 14 1 Fiona Hawkins I also have enslaved Africans in my lineage who have an Irish surname. Not if the mother were a prostitute and father disappeared. Were these apprentices chattel? The real culprit is blind greed, economic opportunism, and plain availability. GG Father, May , a wealthy man owned African/Native American Slaves in parts of Georgia and sired two sets of children. naturally, that population mixed in with the newly arrive slave blacks as well as the indigenous blacks. His name is Liam Hogan or should I say Lord Hogan lol. Baltimore was an english town, the pirates were directed to it by an Irishman (Hackett), and the english inhabitants were shipped off to North Africa. They were also raped by their white captors and dealers while in the holding cells that lined the coasts of Africa. There is a very large difference between the two terms and are often conflated. It is commonly found in County Tipperary and neighbouring counties. Smith is one of the most common surnames across the world with well known Smiths such as actor Will Smith, actress Maggie Smith, and singer-songwriter Patti Smith all having the popular Irish surname. THE MYTH OF IRISH SLAVERY is A LIE The tale of the Irish slaves is rooted in a false conflation of indentured servitude and chattel slavery. Again , please dont source liam hogan lol haha, he is a librarian.not a historian!!!!! Its like saying, Im personally offended by you not because of your genetics but because of your race!. As a South African, I know slavery was never just of the African people. They could be biological descendants of an Irish or Scottish family. And when the draft riots kicked off in New York city a lot of those Irish and Italians turned their hatred and attention on the African Americans!!! Google how and why enslaving whites/Christians was outlawed in the U.S. Im not going to do the research for you. The majority of Irish did not immigrate till after the close of the atlantic slave trade, and towards the civil war, or until the opening of the 20th century. Indentured is a form of slavery. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. Thus, welcoming a new wave of dark-complexioned Irish people. The brits found you in the new world, the so called African Americans are really the native americans- the moors. I will just say that both existed and as such proves that anyone who is racist and thinks they are justified in being racist is wrong because even with differences of culture, tradition and society all people are the same and we should all treat each other equally and with equal respect. Thats what I was going to ask. And dont realise you are all from the one race- the human race. However, most Blacks in the USA dont have to deal with slavery. Please do not confuse the two. How would the Irish name get passed down, if the Irish parent was the mother. Surname Origin: Irish Alternate Surname Spellings: O'SULLIVAN, OSULLIVAN Obviously African-Americans had it worse if you look at it in a way where most of their race went into slavery.yes, their own people were involved in the slave trade..but again Im just stating facts!!!! Forgetting the past opens the door to repeating its horrors . Australian model and actor Julian MacMahon is one of the most famous MacMahons. I think it was disingenuous to tell their story by minimizing the horrors experienced by African slaves. But have you ever wondered where it comes from? Black Dutch (genealogy) Black Dutch is a term with several different meanings in United States dialect and slang. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.amp.html, My last name is Doyle since I been on Facebook Ive learned there is alot of people in Jamaica with last name as mine I am in Chicago and its alot of us scattered through the city but it very nice to know we are Doyles all over the world beautiful black people. No one in the homeland was safe. My grandmother had told me this when I was a little girl, If you come from a family who is of mixed race, and they know the old family school and is not afraid to tell you, cause this was known but your not suppose to talk about it..but I always knew cause of the red hair, but eyes and freckles..the freckles are a sure sign my grandma would say..I learned sp much from her said she wasnt allowed to talk are educate anyone of it, once my grandfather died she told everything..she was a Creole borne in Baton Rouge La. Of course police departments came from the slave patrols and why in some states you got a lot of Irish cops. American blues guitarist B. In the 1940s what were the Jews in Germany? What may be a mytth, however, is the numbers posited in the original article. African Americans where emancipated because they needed it. Heres a case for you to review (take your time): Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves: Law Case, Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves. The assembly was led by Strongbow, a Norman lord from Wales. Do you still have your list of sources? Copyright 2019 - 2023 Ireland Before You Die | Trading under, TOP 100 Irish surnames / last names (info & facts). Racism was a mischaracterization of that content. Note: It was pointed out to me that there is a difference between indentured servitude and slavery. They didnt want to go to war on behalf of the African American, well thats what they thought it was about,, even though we all know that the civil war wasnt about the liberation of the black slaves. Theres ample others who would be willing to debate this with you. Kelly (46480) 3. There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. Nowhere in the article did the author claim that the treatments to the Irish were worse. That Slavery is colour blind but profit centred. 9. The fact is that any white male could sexually assault a black woman with impunity. So while many where likely shipped to the new colonies and the West Indies, it was likely as indentured servants, not slaves. Or did the Irish enjoy being slaves and never ran away from their slave masters? Ever wonder why those hillbillies talk funny? If you notice, there is nothing said at all about color in the constitution concerning slaves. Karen, first and foremost thank you for your reply. And so on.., http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-stolen-village-des-ekin/1113681635?ean=9781847174314#productInfoTabs. Brennan 29. Many of our foremothers were raped by the ships captains and the dozens if not hundreds of white crew members. How did they enter said contract in the first place? They owned the land in Ireland too where Catholic Irish worked on their lands. Here are the top 100 Irish surnames you're bound to experience at least once in your life! Actress Meg Donnelly and Declan Donnelly, one half of the comedy duo Ant and Dec, are two famous bearers of the name Donnelly. Dont forget modern recorded history versus older nonrecorded history or minutely recorded history. Ive often had arguments on the very same topic, because blacks have claimed slavery as our own. However it took a while for them to be recognized as equals, even when JFK was elected as the first real Irishman to be president!!!!!. Black (surname) Black is a surname which can be of either English, Scottish, Irish or French origin. They were allowed to keep their last names? Always a good idea not to counter generalizations with more generalizations and no sources. if you go to a protestant area in belfast they are putting polish and africans out of the area. It generally refers to racial, ethnic or cultural roots. Another part of history that is not covered in our history books. The Celts arrived on the island about the year 500 B.C. Carran A spelling variant of Curran, this Irish surname is an anglicized form of ' Corraidhin' referring to 'descendant of Corraidhin.' The word Corraidhin is derived from 'Corradh' which means 'little spear.' Slavers were greed driven sadists. My family history is very interesting..anyway they cant sweep all this under the rug anymore thanks to documents of proof which are online for the world to see now!! Otherwise, I agree there needs to be some factual citations presented with the article. But even also his own people as a mere result of the kind of things that happen when the wicked are in rule? No one forced them to commit a crime. Have you heard of people of Irish descent as "Black Irish.". This Irish surname is of a prominent Derry sept. Its origin can be traced back to Mac Giolla osa, meaning "son of the devotee of Jesus". The article is pointing the finger at the British Empire. American football quarterback Tom Brady is the most famous person with the name Brady. Over centuries, as groups arrived and fled, ancient Ireland began to take shape. Stop with this damn lie. Im not looking to be inflammatory. In its conception, Ireland was made up of kin groups or clans. We should remember this and not let one injustice isnt used to counter the other. There is truth in what you say. Actress Kristen Bell is one of the most famous people with this name. The terminology is important, which has been duly noted and exaggerated on both ends of the discussion. Its a circular statement! Keiran is an Irish and Scottish name that literally means black or dark. I never learned the whole story of how though unrelated, both husbands had the same Irish surname. that is not true they are mixed rihannna the singer her father is of irish desent . Maybe its time we stop fighting with each other and start learning from each other? Africans had names that made no sense to the English speaking enslavers, so they gave them English names. Working is a choice and they get paid for their work. I always wondered why a lot of families there had Irish last names (Riley, Dubbery etc.) Unless you dont feel theres any systematic oppression, which if you take some time studying the oppression of Catholics in Ireland youd understand. I would love to know more, this has opened a window in my life. thats the label the brits give them. Only problem how did the irish slaves keep their names. The intention of this was to divulge their cultural stance and tell of their intentions to bring force and darkness upon Ireland. Hackett was later hung for what he did. As things evolved though the change from indentured to enslaved came in a big way because of the darker skin tone making it easier to identify runaways and the popularity of black Africans entering a lifetime period of slavery is why indentured servitude was replaced with full on actual slavery. Chattel slavery was perpetual, a slave was only free once they they were no longer alive; it was hereditary, the children of slaves were the property of their owner; the status of chattel slave was designated by race, there was no escaping your bloodline; a chattel slave was treated like livestock, you could kill your slaves while applying moderate correction and the homicide law would not apply; the execution of insolent slaves was encouraged in these slavocracies to deter insurrections and disobedience, and their owners were paid generous compensation for their loss; an indentured servant could appeal to a court of law if they were mistreated, a slave had no recourse for justice. Its a human one! Riddle me this, if a irish woman is bred with an african man, would the child not take the last name of the MAN?! IT IS A SPIRIT THAT DOES NOT CARE FOR ANY RACEKNOW THAT TO ANY CAUCASION OR TO THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL XOXO, [] How Blacks have Irish Last Names [], Lies. Indentured servitude is a form of slavery not *voluntary servitude*. I am black American and have African indentured servants in my lineage. Though we dont want that ugly past to be forgotten, rewritten or soften to make Whites feel better about them-selves, the issues we worry about are those we have to deal with currently. The most well-known person by the name Casey is American journalist and former news anchor Whitney Casey. Truth is, there was and is a huge ethnic and national diversity in Africa, and between those groups some had conquered others. There looks to be much more valuable information available if you search on this form of the name. Keeping their Irish surnames would help to differentiate the two groups. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVhUQXElTE. And there, my friends, you have the truth of the matter. Unlike African slavery ,the Irishs story was not widely publicised. Are we interested in championing numbers or political views here? I got my answer. O'Doherty 16. No, most were poor and fought because their homeland was invaded, and not for some big ideological reason. The Irish may have been treated like shit way back when, but nobody sold even one of them. Actress Lauren Graham is one of the most famous Grahams. I have been unsuccessful with finding all the data you have, will you please site the sources from your research? O'Rourke Irish spelling: Ruairc Meaning: Descendent of Ruarc, King of Brifne (an area including counties Leitrim and Connacht). Unlike Africans, Irish indentured servants could buy their way out of slavery. You should be ashamed of yourself and I suspect that this is a troll site rather than a site ran by a person of African descent. Personally, I am offended not by the story and the facts, but by the dishonest comparison. One of the most famous Nolans is film director Christopher Nolan. Updated in 2022. When a White indentured servant or slave walked away or escaped his master or owner, he or she could go just about any place they choose and live their lives as free White people. I have about 3 lines of my family in which this happened.. In 1840 there were 196 Blake families living in Maine. Great article. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/04/19/how-myth-irish-slaves-became-favorite-meme-racists-online. We respect your privacy and take protecting it seriously, How to plan a trip to Ireland (in 9 steps), Irish boy names that nobody can pronounce. Since enslaved blacks did not have last names at the time the Civil War ended, many were catalogued on freedmens lists and forced to adopt last names. the first anit miscegenation laws were passed to prevent such mixing.