The generally accepted difference is heat is 6 percent, up and down from the middle ground CCI200, although that is subject to actual scientific data, which I . Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. HTH, Dutch. var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true;
4.5-7.4 .4832, 4Winchester WLRM 5.45 5.1-6.0 .2046, 5 Remington 9 1/2 LRM 5.09 3.5-6.75 .6641, 6 Winchester WLR 4.8
SPM = Small Pistol Mag . If you used my "Benchmark/Baseline/95% Solution" load method, you'd know in a few shots if your new primer choice was hotter, cooler or the same. brass. Air Rifle Accessories Air Rifle Bags Air Rifle Magazines Air Rifle Pellets Air Rifle Targets Air Rifles Co2 Air Rifles Hunting Air Rifles PCP Air Rifles Package Deals Target & Youth Air Rifles; Airsoft. So what's the difference? the 3 frozen overnight. The last row in each table shows the endstream
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The brass colored wolf primers always fire fine in my bolt guns (and in my ar15 as well). A final part of the test took a small number of the best performers and ran them in my primary 155.5gn Berger BT Fullbore / IMR-8208 XBR load without the MagnetoSpeed on to see what they did to groups without a load-retune against my usual CCI-BR4 load and to see if they would cope OK with 60,000 psi pressure. 0000076644 00000 n
The following are with 92 grains of H 870, same bullet and I used the CCI large pistol magnums primers, and they performed just like rifle primers, they didn't peirce, or flatten, ignited the rifle powder just fine. . Primer with Lowest ES/SD: Sellier & Bellot LR (12/3.1 fps) We know that major seating faults definitely have an effect, but do minor variations in seating tension too? It takes a Large Rifle Magnum primer to reliably light this much powder. At .020' thick cup metal, these primers are minimal, at best, for light .223 Remington loads. var _gaq = _gaq || [];
All powder charges WHILE MAGTECH BRAND PRIMERS HAVE NOT BEEN IMPORTED AND OFFERED FOR SALE THROUGH AUTHORIZED CHANNELS FOR SEVERAL YEARS, THERE ARE STILL SUBSTANTIAL QUANTITIES REMAINING IN RELOADER'S INVENTORIES. CCI Aps BR2 Large Rifle Benchrest (1000) $ 135.00. 0
The following loads were shot in a Remington 700 chambered I noticed they listed James Calhoon in that article. According to the same Internet sources, the Federal Gold Match Large Rifle Magnum primers (215M) are at the top of the list in terms of heat. There are a great many views on the subject, a few based on tests (including primer flame photography) but most apparently hearsay. Laurie Holland. Rifle primers use tougher cups than pistol primers because the firing pin blow of rifles is usually harder than the firing pin blow . %%EOF
www.6mmbr.com. I have not measures themperhaps your not seating them fully? $47.99: NA: Notify: Midway: Winchester Large Rifle Magnum Primers 8-1/2M. The barrel was 24 inches long. Must add the Federal Dry Bag to your cart, one per order.
Out-of-Stock. [#11] brass. German Salazar's pictures were taken in 2005. GM205M. Thanks for the insight Rocky. firing 15 Nosler 130-gr. Federal Champion Centerfire Small Rifle Primer - 100 Ct. No media assets available for preview. A write-up will be done soon. well in this rifle before, and we did the same with VVN 540, as it is supposed Lyman & Nosler classify this as a standard primer, but Hornady, Handloads.com, and Chuck Hawks classify it as a small rifle magnum primer. Match King bullet, molly coated. 0000004445 00000 n
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P. Plinker147 Well . shoot them as a group, noting both the velocity and the accuracy, and compare 40,5. BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Cartridge Primer Size . My experience with the small rifle primers is just the opposite. When I use the press the primers are seated harder.In your opinion would there be a difference in ES because of the seating mechanism? chart, http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/ammunition_st_mamotaip_200909/, http://www.castingstuff.com/primer_testing_reference.htm. LRM = Large Rifle Mag . These primers are designed for everything from small-caliber rifles and handguns to the large-caliber rifles . Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Ranked in order of power. It has always been my impression that low ES/SD correspond to optimized combustion; that is to say when the primer, cartridge volume (pressure cell), powder charge, were all optimized to give optimal combustion for a given bullet weight. $7.30. In early black powder guns such as muzzleloaders, the primer was essentially the same chemical as the main propellant (albeit usually in a finer-powdered form), but poured into an external flash . Keep to the lower end of reloading recommendations. What is the pressure of a .44mag? 6 rounds with the RWS primers hang fired, including 2 of It seems to even out the ignition by eliminating a variable (sometimes with grains in and sometimes without
By The Copper Pill. Sep 9, 2009. And, NO! Of the others, there WAS a relation between weight and power. temperatures. I would like to state I just remembered people liking them. Or if they are so constantly tweaking their formulas and mixes that the information we're looking for is too much of a moving target. The shot is fired against a weight which in turn moves a pointer. Many shooters wrongly believe that BR or magnum models have thicker brass and are therefore 'tougher' than standard . CCI BR2 Large Rifle Primer 100-Pack $ 13 99 13 dollars 99 cents. (As a note of interest, small pistol primers are .017" thick and large pistol primers are .020" thick.) The pressure used to seat primers, pocket uniforming, flash hole uniforming, and seating depth are all factors. Large Rifle 5,3 Boxer: Rifle cartridges 5,652 R and cal. Editors Comment: Laurie shot three, 5-shot groups at 100 yards with each primer type. hb```,? CCI "APS" Large Rifle Primers Strip . Thanks, DR. This is where the similarity ends. Add to Wishlist. were of 50 when limited amounts were available. 506 42
It stands to reason that such cusp cartridges, as I like to call them, would have . Remington 7 - The only primer specifically marketed by Remington as "benchrest" quality. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.accurateshooter.com']);
Large rifle primers all come with one brass thickness, a nominal 0.027" (unlike small rifle primers which vary from 0.020" to 0.025" depending on make/type). Use the .308 Win Palma brass and small primers myself. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. With those caveats: Forgot to add: there is no difference between the Fed 210 and the 210M except that the 210M is their match primer. The line that shows Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! We thought of doing the test on 4 different case sizes. Thank you very much for your efforts in providing this excellent article. In bolt action rifles, not semis. We are here to talk about primers. Compare Compare Now. Three shot groups. We used RWS match brass, 41.2 grains of VVN 140, and the Sierra 168 It is obvious that the thicker cups will withstand more pressure. The new Russian
I can tell you CCI BR2's give a little less velocity and better SD numbers than Federal 210M which gave a little less velocity and better SD numbers than Remington 9 1/2 with the same powder and cartridge. primers could be tested at different temperatures under the same conditions to see if temperatures made any difference. Apr 30, 2012. We thought we would run our own test, using all the different primers that we have here. 2854 0 obj
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I know everyone has a favorite, and although theyre really tough to get, I would really liked to see the Wolf LR-M in that mix. Thats counter-intuitive and its odd that Rems were at opposite ends of the speed spectrum among ALL primers tested. Now, I tend to read pressure signs from my primers first. Federal 215 and Winchester standard and magnum LR primers. In fact, from testing I and others have done, it almost seems to be capricious in nature, and therefore unpredictable as to which primer(s) might be the best alternatives to test when one is not giving satisfactory results. 41 Rifle Primers - 100 Count. Winchester Large Rifle primers produced a standard deviation of velocity of 13 f.p.s. Ive since rerun the series with .308 Win Palma brass and small primers. Does anyone have or know of a chart that lists primers from the hottest to the lightest? Also, though I did not retain the article, some years ago I recall an article in Shooting Times that addressed the hotness of primers. 5 Alliant e3 40 Ramshot True Blue. Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. Listed From Fastest to Slowest: 1 NORMA R1 36 Winchester WSF. Great OP. My Components; My Loading Data; All User Loading Data; Components . We also wanted to check if cold temperatures have any We picked this load because it shot reasonably Not that I have found, and why I said "nothing". July 9, 2018. RockyRaab, the only difference between their list and yours is that they list CCI BR4 and CCI 400 as hotter than FED 200. 0000003606 00000 n
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Very good read. These are the links to the two pages, directly. to be similar in burning rate. rifle, chambered for the 338 Lapua. 30H32. We used Lapua brass and the Cameron. . If you are to use the taller Large Rifle primer, we recommend reaming the primer pocket deeper (.125"-.132"). The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Type: Small Rifle Match. Cases larger than that we normally used magnum primers. 0000076375 00000 n
The average group size for the top six primers varied by only 0.10 (0.43 to 0.53), so one cant conclude that one type is much better than another. Primer with Smallest Group Size: Remington 9 LR (0.43 average, three 5-shot groups) CCI Bench Rest Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $199.99; Notify Me When Available; Brand: CCI; Item Number: 10 BK; CCI Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $149.99; Notify Me When Available; . I did not test the 210M. is a double base powder, same bullet and brass. On the other hand, if some of the primers that gave poorer results in your testing with a specific .308 load gave much better results with a different cartridge/powder/bullet weight, it would be much more difficult to make any general predictions that might allow a reloader to keep a stock of only two or three types on hand, one of which would be likely to give satisfactory results over a wide range of cartridges and powders. Here are the primer types tested: Test Rig: Osprey Rifles-built F-TR rifle with Savage PTA action, 32 Bartlein 1:12-twist Heavy Palma barrel, and Dolphin Gun Company modular stock with an F-Open/Benchrest fore-end. Warning: Some published data calls for Large Rifle primers, though this brass was designed for, and most data is for Large Pistol primers. This keeps grains of powder out of the flash hole. Very interesting. The following loads were with 48 grains of VVN 550 powder, 0000004308 00000 n
Remington AmmunitionRemington Large Rifle Magnum Primers #9-1/2M Box of 1000. Large Rifle Magnum Match (LRM MATCH) Federal - 215m. Reply. Non-corrosive, all weather primers deliver fast, dependable ignition under any shooting condition. This is more visual and tells a good story too. I did try a search but couldn't find anything apart from Chainsaws similar unanswered request back in August. once fired Weatherby brass and the Sierra 190-grain Match King bullet, molly V361617. In other words, the steps were small indeed. 1 Fed Match GM215M 6.12 5.23-6.8 .351. We used $7.99. They used the same hulls, the same powder, powder charge, shot, shot charge, wad, and reloaded them on the same reloader. Weighing Primers: I did some test weighing and found the bench rest had virtually no variations. 14 Likes. It was topped with a Leupold 6.5-20X scope in Leupold 0000027640 00000 n
the results of each group so you can compare that with others, as well as the group Most of the tests were of 100 or more primers. Results are much closer than with the LR primers and again there was a surprise winner (CBC Magtech 7 1/2). Doesn't appear to work. Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. This charge fills the case to about half Large rifle primers are 0.008" thicker than a large pistol primer. Get a deck of Remington Playing Cards for $1 with ammo purchase. The cartridge remains one of the few standard-issue rimmed . Interesting that the CCI BR2 was running hotter than the CCI 200. ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. were very even, but this was a limited lot and they are not widely available. It has a Hart barrel #5 and a SR = Small Rifle . Gold Medal Centerfire Primer .205. I think the BR4 is milder than the CCI 400 primers. Compare Compare Now. I cannot 210 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. 50 BMG (BMG) CCI - No.35. Thanks! A few
I only remember that there wasn't a heckuva lot of difference in any of them, until you start comparing one end of the list against the opposite. Quest for Less Vertical Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Vertical Dispersion Test Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Primer Availability Report Wolf Primers Have Arrived, Primer Comparison Testing with 6 BRA at 500 Yards. this with the others. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. 0000015151 00000 n
Small pistol primers - which are about the same size as small rifle primers but designed specifically for handguns. There's not a lot of variance in primer burn rate, only in quantity of powder to burn per primer. 5.2-6.5 .4437, 3 CCI 250 LRM 5.66
Thanks ! Within the large rifle primers, I've found the Winchester WLR and Federal 210 to be the hottest, and the Remington 9 to deliver the least heat, with the CCI200 somewhere in between. The standard primer types are pistol, pistol magnum, rifle, and rifle magnum. $5.19. Rifle cartridges 5,652 R and cal. 547 0 obj
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bullet and brass. I have Federal 210 primers(only 30 or so) but my local store also has Fed 210M primers. I hear ya. Here are the results of a test done to determine the brisance of primers. All the following groups were 3 shots at 100 yards, I wrote 2847 0 obj
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Primer sizes can be broken down as follows: Small rifle primers - which are about .175 inches in diameter and .120 inches tall. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 6mmBR.com is the best guide for 6mm BR Benchrest precision shooting, complete with 6BR FAQ, Reloading Data, Shooter Message Boards, Reader Polls, and Photo Gallery. Primer cup dimensions are controlled to .0001", and the priming mix is specially formulated for consistent ignition with a wide variety of powder types. #4. Wolf/Tula Small Rifle 223 SR223 - #KVB-223M "This is the newest primer available in the Wolf line. 0000002481 00000 n
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Not that I've ever seen. $7.99. 22661. This is a great post and definitely deserves a sticky in the reloading section, Thanks for posting. NOTE: Values in chart are based on 15-Shot strings. Check With Your Local Ammo. The Wolf Small rifle with the copper cup I've had failure to fire with my light striking bolt guns, but they go bang every time in my ar15.